Why should fans pay the penalty for administration

Congratulations go to the players of Dundee and the fans who stuck by them for overcoming a points penalty that was calculated to send the club into a lower division.

Praise too for the fans of Stirling Albion who donated funds to the Dens Park club in it’s time of need despite the parlous league position of their own team.

When a club gets into financial difficulties you have to look at the people who make the financial decisions and it is usually the board of management.

It is not the team manager, the players or the fans who handle the club budget, so if there are financial problems they were caused by the people who sanctioned the various spends in the first place.

It matters not whether the overspend came about by player wages or the managers request to make expensive signings because items of this nature have to be sanctioned by the board or by a dictatorial chairman depending on who has control.

This issue is not about what happened to other clubs such as Livingston who were relegated to the lowest division because their players and fans also suffered because of the league’s penalty for going into administration.

Livingston officials were understandibly unsympathetic towards Dundee and it is believed that Dundee did not endear themselves to other clubs during the season. But again this was understood to be an attitude at boardroom level and hardly the fault of either the players or their fans.

So if the league, as it must, punish clubs that go into administration, it should surely punish the real culprits by banning all members of the guilty club’s board from being part of any form of football administration for at least ten years.

A Alexander

Football daft for as long as I can remember. Lifelong Liverpool fan and Socialist. Has actually stood on the Anfield pitch. Played the game, refereed it and reported on it. Best playing time was at under 18 level and enjoyed indoor 5 aside until injury forced me out at 52.


  • Posted by souey on May 3, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    I totally agree, the people pay in cash then pay even more when their beloved team goes to the wall or other… I can’t get my head around the whole point penalty thing or relegation for administration… Fiorentina copped it a few years ago for being the best part of 20million euros in debt. Livingston also got it and remember the Clydebank and Airdrieoneans thing… kick a club when they are down??? No! Punish the culprits… I totally agree. I didn’t know however that Stirling rallied behind Dundee, that is amazing in such an age. Both clubs are good family clubs I wish them very well but also wonder why no sanctions for the BIG club(s) in Debt??? From the bank OR sfa,sfl or other?

  • Posted by Nory on May 4, 2011 at 7:51 am

    Don’t forget that as an entity this club has ripped of local business twice now in the last 10 years. They have also spent money on players instead of tax bills – all whilst there was a club rep (Dee for life) on the board.

    I think you need to review your post.

  • Posted by A Alexander on May 4, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    Sorry Nory but whilst there may well have been a fan club rep on the board, he or even she can be easily overruled by the majority.
    And you can’t possibly believe that that individual can be blamed for the collective decision of the majority. It also depends on whether the club constitution requires every one to be present to constitute a quorum for a valid decision making meeting.
    The Dundee board may well have ripped off local businesses which unfortunately happens quite a lot in the business world but that has nothing to do with the fans or the players so there is no need to review my post. Perhaps you should review your lack of understanding of boardroom skulldugerry before committing yourself.
    I just hope your non de plume of “Nory” is not short for Norrie Boath, the well known Dundee United fan who does not have a good word to say about his city rivals.

  • Posted by Nory on May 5, 2011 at 11:54 am

    I understand Boardroom Skullduggery just fine Allan. However I have stated a fact – The fans had an elected representative on the board party to collective decision making. You on the other hand are making up fantasies about possible Boardroom politics that might have happened to excuse them. Not a fact in sight.

    However your point is mute anyway, the fans rep is there to represent the fans and is elected by the supporters. The fans are therefore, by extension, implicit in the skullduggery you mention.

    You can argue the point all you like, in the end you are completely and utterly wrong if you see it any other way.

    I remember very well the false knighthood of “Sir Calum” as he was dubbed by sections of the Dee support. I don’t however recall many voices of concern at the time as they bought Gary Harkins and Leigh Griffiths during the worst global financial crisis in history. You don’t need to be Alan Sugar to work out where it was heading, especially since they had been there before.

    The fans are just as culpible for the club lurching into administration for the second time in a decade and did nothing to stop it. And that is despite being closer to the running of the club than any other supporters in Scotland. (bar Stirling)

    And my name is not Nory Boath. Pop into the forum sometime, you’ll find me with a great big St johnstone badge beside my name.

  • Posted by A Alexander on May 6, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    Hi nory,
    You have just given yourself away. I am familiar with the short sighted hatred St. Johnstone fans bear against Dundee as they blamed Dundee’s champioship winning side for the shortcomings in their own team which was relegated in the same season.
    You may think that you know all about boardrooms but you have a strange notion about the democratic voting system if you think one vote can overturn all the rest. The truth is we do not know anything about the fans rep other than he or she had one seat at a cabinet table. So get real Nory and cool your bigitry towards another clubs fans.

  • Posted by john on May 19, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    They should be in the third division. Twice in adminiastration In 7 years its a joke disgrace to scottish football. And totally agree with nory